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Remove commit 4e47c8 (Remove Tibet from the map) #6006
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Maps should not base on points of views but reflect the current situation of the world which should include the simple fact that not a single country in the world officially recognized Tibet as an independent country. |
good point @fengkaijia but in our case, we are not even a single country... we are the Internet. We are the human community! It will be a challenge to find status quo when learning to live together, but challenging our world view is important. We are not a country, we are the Internets the network that unifies us all, brothers of the earth! |
@mattab The following is the result of a 2010 online vote by the show Larry King Live on CNN. Over 90% of the Internet didn't agree that Tibet should be an independent country. Challenging the would view doesn't mean we could ignore the voice of vast majority. There are also groups of people in the US seeking secession, but should we remove Alaska, Texas, Vermont, etc. from the US map? Absolutely No. |
I agree. |
Deeply agree. |
I agree. |
+1 |
maybe there is similar recent history of oppression in Alaska? More info & context #6994 (comment) More information about TibetThat's true that Tibet officially beyond to China, since the military annexation in 1950. China invaded Tibet in 1950. Its occupation has resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Tibetans and the imprisonment and torture of thousands more. After a failed uprising against Chinese rule in 1959, Tibet’s political and spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, fled into exile in India followed by tens of thousands of Tibetans. Inside its borders and across the world, Tibetans have never stopped believing Tibet is a nation. Since 1959, they have continued to oppose and resist China's rule and China has responded with intense repression. In 2014, US think tank Freedom House ranked Tibet among the twelve worst countries in the world for repression of political and civil rights. Geography
Here are just some of the challenges faced by Tibetans as a result of China's occupation. Economic discrimination.
Religious suppression
Political oppression
We are not picking on China in particular!We treat all human rights violations equally. We do not support the United States' past support of dictators and its more recent abuse of prisoners. We do not support the UK government's use of Piwik to spy on its citizens. We do not support Israel's bi-annual bombing of Gaza, nor Hamas' acts of terrorism. We support no act of violence or oppression. There is only one thing Piwik supports: peace. We hope you will use Piwik to further the presence of peace in the world and we hope you too will stand up against any injustice you see. "The thing that we need in the world today is a group of men and women who will stand up for right and to be opposed to wrong, wherever it is. A group of people who have come to see that some things are wrong, whether they're never caught up with. And some things are right, whether nobody sees you doing them or not." - Martin Luther King Jr |
Maybe there is similar recent history of oppression in Tibet? Have you been there?
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I agree. |
Open source software should not be a place for a single developer to express their political demands. Besides, this commit is not based on fact and hurts deeply the Chinese piwik community. I'm pretty sure that @mattab is not willing to see another fork because of this, so I support removing this commit. |
Deeply agree.+1 |
Deeply agree +1 |
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Deeply agree +1 |
I'm not saying which view of world is better or true, but this commit simply breaks the basic law here in China. Not only will it hurt Chinese piwik community, it might also prevent some users from using piwik, considering it's probably illegal. |
Tibei and Taiwan should be a part of China |
@mattab I don't agree with you, because a few hundred years ago, the Tibet is a part of China. It means it's not a invade, it's a recapture. But since the 1900s, a lot of country invade China, they separated the Mongolia, the separated a lot of land from China, and now they want to separate again. We can't bear it, again, and again. @mattab just another simple question, when we are talking about liber. Why Sikkim is a part of India in Piwik? |
Yes, China re-captured with military invasion. Same thing. China killed 1+ million Tibetans since 1950, to ensure the re-capture was not reversed.
Because a referendum in 1975 led to Sikkim joining India as its 22nd state. Maybe you haven't heard of democracy and referendum as part of your schooling education, but it is an interesting concept where the people (here, Sikkim) chose to be part of India back then. |
@phodal 我不觉得你能说服他。😂 |
@mattab I'm a little curious how did you know "China killed 1+ million Tibetans", what made you believe so? |
Let me rephrase @mattab's comment from the Central Tibetan Administration point of view:
We want our slaves back. The communists took away slavery from us.
Yes, the communists should at first support our system. And make sure we can keep slavery. We attacked them because they cannot promise that.
Have you ever read Henry Kissinger's books? You better not read it. It totally makes non-sense. Our theory is better. People, people, people, always remember that China will invade your country when they ran out of resource. Yes, China is dark and dangerous, and please follow Dalai Lama. And make sure you donate to us. The funny thing is that @mattab is citing every bit of information from CTA-controlled or CTA-favored sites without validation. Of source, the best way to validate these claims is go to Tibet and see it by your self, but he didn't. He claims the Chinese are the people blinded by "extremely potent propaganda", in fact, he is. His irreversible bias here let him choose to ignore all contribution the central government made in the past decades. He is blinded to the Qinghai-Tibet Railway or Qinghai-Tibet Highway, and to the fact that Tibet's GDP has increased 27 times from 1993 to 2015 (cite National Data) [Disclaimer: I live in Hong Kong, I don't read Global Times, and I don't need Global Times to tell me about these]. The goal of Western education is to develop a useful citizen for democracy. One who can easily be blind by propaganda does not qualified to that standard. I thanks "some other team members" and especially, @sgiehl for correcting a four-year long non-sense bug. They made Piwik truely a free software. And at last, @mattab looks like you knows nothing about the history of China. Go read Henry Kissinger's book. |
@desmear It's funny that you created your account 30 mins ago and labeled yourself to live in Xi'an. Plus, there's no need to access GitHub via VPN. |
@desmear No, we do not need VPNs to access GitHub, we get here directly by a direct link. GFW is another topic which we'd like to discuss with you to prove your understanding is not proper if you have a whole day. Everyone loves the freedom of Internet, but nobody may use it to hurt the freedom of Internet and human being. Think about what happened on Facebook and Twitter before the 2008 Olympic games, during passing of the Olympic torch. This is the real reason why some websites are blocked from China. That's why we think you get so much bad stereotypes on Chinese people and China government. |
@desmear, and for the GFW issue, read https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Facebook-banned-in-China-2/answer/Robin-Daverman?srid=3XPCO. |
@desmear Shame on you. How could you spread such rumours? What you said is not true. Nobody get troubles on accessing GitHub. Only certain websites are blocked because of political issues on them. People in Tibet have full access to the Internet as other Chinese people do. |
这个 @desmear 不知道是个啥东西,散播谣言,懂法的朋友可以动手了 |
Hmm. I thought this issue was to discuss about adding Tibet back to China in the map plugin? I suggest we focus on that instead of talking about GFW. That newly created account is just trolling. |
@desmear What a joke! Do people have labels attached on their faces claiming where do they come from? I didn't go there in-person, but lots of my friends who went to Tibet for tourism and education, they published plenty pictures and contents online during their time. |
@desmear If there's no Internet in Tibet as you say, then can you explain why someone from Lhasa is visiting my blog hosted in Hong Kong. By the way, that's a screenshot from Google Analytics. |
@desmear 直接用中文行么?又要逼我写英语作文。 |
@mattab You're a nice ASSHOLE |
大家也不要指望 @mattab 这种废物会回滚任何东西,他的目的就是来恶心中国人的,跟他理论就像和狗讲理一样,你还会被他咬。 |
@desmear You are making claims without citing sources. How on Earth do I know how to find a "report by sina weibo I've read months ago"? If that's your point of persuasive, then I have many Tibetian classmates, you can find them on WeChat. |
As an open-source project contributed by a large community, they should keep their political opinion as neutral as possible. Now UN world map indicates that both of Tibet and Taiwan are part of China clearly. From a neutral point of view, they should respect the result from the most trustworthy organization in the world |
LOL,How can a adult say such ... |
@desmear While I come to Youtube and Facebook to see how CNN fool the America, you sham on us by your imagination, Interesting. If you so confident with your opinion, just show me the statistic data based on official files or notifications which is acknowledged and will not be challenged by the Permanent members of the United Nations Security Council. I have no interest to hear about the imagination with no evidence. As referred above, these often seems nonsense. |
@desmear2 Did you seriously read the text? Simply it's gray doesn't mean no one is using it. READ the text bro: >0.0%. It means few people (0.0% to 0.5% of the total Weibo user) are using Weibo in Tibet. Not no one is using it. There are 3.1 million people live in Tibet, and there are 1.379 billion in total, that means population in Tibet only accounts ~0.25% of the total population in China. The second level in this chart is 0.5%, therefore there's no way the Tibet part can be green unless every Tibetian Weibo user has more than 2 accounts. The same goes to Qinghai province that only has 5.2 million in population (~0.4%), which is also gray. So where is your critical thinking bro.... 不要老喜欢弄个大新闻然后就把中央批判一番,报道有偏差你要负责的,naive! |
@desmear2 BTW, your account was suspended because of registering using Tor/not providing your real information. That violates the Account Requirements in TOS. READ the TOS and before you think it was reported by users. |
@desmear2 Can not understand the contents of the random analysis, that their knowledgeable,【 】是个好东西。But , you did not. |
都什么时代了,支持藏独和台独的都是傻逼 |
Please remove commit 4e47c8a.
This commit deeply hurt the Chinese Piwik community and should be immediately removed from Piwik.
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